22LR ammunition, in mitigating violent riots remains. Apparently that option has now been denied to the Israeli military and police, at least for the most part, but the potential effectiveness of. 22 rimfire rifles to target the apparent ringleaders of Islamic mobs engaged in violent rioting. The Israelis for a number of years took Cooper’s advice and used suppressed. 22 rimfire had a role in riot control, as well as in marksmanship training and small game hunting. Where are these fabled US operators running subsonic rifle ammo? If this is such a common practice, why hasn't a dedicated subsonic load been standardized into the supply line the way specialized loads like Mk318, Mk319, Mk262, and M118LR were?įor that matter, why even bother developing Mk318 and Mk319 if they can just buy lots of ATK Tactical already going to the FBI and other domestic departments?įor that matter, why even bother developing Mk318 and Mk319 if they can just buy lots of ATK Tactical already going to the FBI and other domestic departments? Good point, but the only reason why i suggested subsonic ammo was because even with a suppressor you could hear where the shots were coming from.Jeff Cooper suggested many years ago that the.
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You can hear the crack and tell that they are blatantly running supersonic ammo rather than subsonic. Here's some footage of MARSOC operators in combat using suppressors: What, you think SOCOM buys ammo off the commercial market? Their stuff comes from Lake City and the only subsonic load Lake City makes is ordinary. And i am sure govs wont save up on money to provide their operators with ammo that needs to be cycled per round. Good quality match grade subsonic ammo wont have that problem. Death:Only if you buy some milsurp kind of ♥♥♥♥ ammo. Only if you buy some milsurp kind of ♥♥♥♥ ammo. I suppose someone might want to suffer that kind of handicap out of morbid curiosity, but it'd be most practical to simply say that people want a fully-silent weapon, they have to move down to a submachinegun, or learn to live with the supersonic crack of their rifle. Most subsonic rifle ammo is too weak to cycle and basically converts self-loading rifles to bolt action. Suppressor + subsonic ammo makes rifles unable to be heard for more than, say, 50 meters (of course they can be heard for further away IRL, but the game wont be as big) and pistols, around 20. How little? well, that depends to the dev team. Death:Loving all of the ideas, how about the suppressor automatically removes the tracers, but you can also pick subsonic ammo for most guns? Subsonic ammo would contain no tracers and it would have reduced damage. Plus, given the access to suppressors and HP, it's not like the game precludes that you might be SF anyway, so it seems as valid an inclusion as anything else. I don't doubt that some people still make it through their tours and never see it, but it also doesn't seem like something that ONLY l33t special forces ever get to use. Jihad (the community member) was in aviation and everyone in his unit was using it all the time. It's not standard issue, but not as rare as you'd think. It can also penetrate NIJ IV and E-SAPI, it just takes a few hits. M995 black tip is considered "real" AP with a tungsten penetrator that pierces NIJ III and SAPI plates. I am not an expert, but I'm not aware of any AR15 AP ammo that can pierce a III/IV plate, is that correct?Well, it's confusing because M855 green tip sometimes called "AP" but it's really just FMJ with a steel penetrator designed to pierce standard issue helmets at longer ranges than the old M193 FMJ. Messaggio originale di =7Cav=:What I meant was, get rid of "AP" as a selectable option, which is not used very much in the real world outside of machineguns, and make the "stock" ammo have the appropriate FMJ characteristics.
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